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 It's called Celebration Day, it's their like reunion meetup concert that they did.

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 That was like the most attended concert ever. Okay. Period. It beat the Beatles and everything.

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 And it's totally worth a listen or a watch if that it's your kind of thing. It's not John

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 Bonham on the drums, but it's his son on the drums. And he does pretty good. So I would say

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 it's worth looking into Celebration Day. It's easy to find on YouTube. Yeah, it felt like if we were

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 starting the live stream up and we were streaming audio and in an app, it just felt like we've

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 got to play some music. You know, it just felt like the right thing to do. It felt a little radio.

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 So it was fun. All right, we're packing up. You ready to go? It's time to go. Yeah,

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 you got to get down here soon. My bag's always packed. You know that.

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 We got Brent projects. Like that's the mode my brain's in. It's like, oh yeah, we should work on

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 that when Brent gets down here. So you know, we'll have a nice long list by the time you show up.

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 I think we've learned from previous trips that I should show up earlier than we think because

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 we always get into some kind of trouble. It's office hours with me, Chris.

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 Bam in the son of a bitches, Brent. They're in there right now in the chat room as we're doing

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 a live show and I'm coming after them. No spam in our chat room. This is office hours. How dare

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 you do it during the live stream? This is my house. Hello, Brent. How you doing? Hello, Chris.

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 I'm great. How are you doing? You like that band hammer? Yeah, I wasn't expecting it. So it got me.

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 Boom. Right there during the show. The guy comes in trying to sell his bogus PC repair service.

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 That's something else might need that. That's not going to last. That's just not going to happen

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 because you know what? We're lit again. We're doing the live thing once again in podverse.

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 This time we're testing out a video stream on the Jupiter signal test RSS feed and so far it's

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 working from our peer to instance into the mobile apps of the podverse users. Feels like some sort

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 of crazy future Brent. It's pretty awesome. I think I lost a bet actually. I thought this wasn't

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 going to work at all and here you are like pushing the envelope again this week. So I need to scrape

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 my money back. It's nice to see. It is nice to see all of this stuff work. Ultimately, it just

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 makes a really great experience for the listener. You're just right there in your podcast app and

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 that's just so dang cool. I've always loved doing the live stream, but it's always required standing

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 but it was the only way to accomplish the job. But this podcasting to know those stuff is so

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 frickin great. It really it's the most excited I've been about podcasting in a decade. It's

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 really great to see it and it couldn't be coming at a better time, my friend could not be coming

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 at a better time. We have a little bit of drama in our own little local Linux circles.

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 mention. But I'll tell you, looking back, I think I've learned a lesson and I think I'll

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 And the lesson is we work too damn hard. You know, that's what I've taken away from from what's

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 going on recently. Let me set the let me set the background for you. So our old buddy Cranky Bear

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 out there, Mr. SJVN who writes many different outlets from ZDNet to others. He's he's really

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 he's been ahead of me for many years. I remember years ago, I mean years ago, I was at Oskon

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 and old SJVN, he's in the press room and he'd figured it out. I like an idiot was out there

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 doing interviews, hustling, carrying around recording equipment, talking to the different

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 projects, getting rejected and sometimes really grinding it out. And SJVN, he figured out that

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 old Cranky Bear decided I could just hang out in the press room. They'd send me emails.

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 I'll then make a blog post about it and I can crank out 510 blog posts while I'm here and I

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 never have to leave my seat. And I at the time I thought, Oh, God, he's so lazy, right? But no,

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 he had figured out how to scale works smart. Good product. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought to myself,

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 the goal. You see quantity, he knew this quantity was really what you needed in the age of the

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 internet. It was he's ahead of me again, silly me thinking about quality. And now see, he's

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 modernized it once again. And now he started a sub stack where he just takes payments directly from

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 the people he's writing about to write about whatever they want him to write about. And if you

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 go look on Linux or Linux or if you go look on hacker news, go look at Cranky Bear. And you can

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 see it's just old SJVN posting his own stories to his own sub stack that he got paid for to write

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 about to talk about Rocky Linux or something like that. In fact, if you go look at all the positive

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 Rocky Linux coverage, it's all him on his private sub stack where he gets paid to write about it.

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 him that hired him to do written PR, we have listeners there. And they've told me that they

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 need sponsors. He gets paid by the people he's reporting about directly. It's nice and tidy.

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 great things they want to say about themselves. And this happens for you everywhere. And this is

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 what the lesson I've learned is that the whole thing is rotten. The whole thing and the incentives

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 within the system are rotten. And inevitably, in order to survive, it draws people into what I

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 with a friend of mine. And he's like, Well, I would never have that problem. I would never do

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 that. I would never do that. I would I would I would end the relationship before I ever let that

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 for the mortgage or something like that. Your kids food, whatever like that. And, you know,

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 common comment in the response to his post to a sub stack. And that is this gosh, this really just

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 done a report that indicates that podcast listening has continued to grow with 14% of Americans saying

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 according to this study, commuters are second on the list, then outdoor sports is third,

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 While eating, that sounds like you. That's what that's you. They must have surveyed you because

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 you're always eating. You say, well, I was going to say you get an easy win there just because

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 just a lot of laying around, not doing much, not feeling well. So that was kind of nice to get

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 the lit stuff being video. Oh, look at us. Maybe we should walk it back. I don't know.

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 more on that a bit. But the whole workflow is fascinating. Just to go through the whole process

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 because fireside sort of just takes care of all that. But I need a place to throw the XML file

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 more manual at the same time. God dang it if it isn't true every time I use a GUI to try to accomplish

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 is just simple. The GUI inevitably gets in the way like software feeds is a class act but like I

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 delivery and then of course I also which just adds complexity doesn't apply to what you're doing but

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401
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 that you could easily get up and going in just moment,

402
00:34:02,390 --> 00:34:05,470
 leave minutes like Next Cloud, WordPress,

403
00:34:05,470 --> 00:34:06,890
 Minecraft, Java edition.

404
00:34:06,890 --> 00:34:10,270
 Huh, interesting, Kali Linux too.

405
00:34:10,270 --> 00:34:12,270
 That's, that's something.

406
00:34:12,270 --> 00:34:13,110
 Let's look at that.

407
00:34:13,110 --> 00:34:13,950
 Let's do Kali Linux.

408
00:34:13,950 --> 00:34:14,790
 So if I click on, you can click on,

409
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:15,630
 you can also get information

410
00:34:15,630 --> 00:34:17,510
 if you click the little, the little I button,

411
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:19,070
 they'll slide over a whole bunch of information.

412
00:34:19,070 --> 00:34:21,310
 But so you choose Kali Linux

413
00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:22,830
 and then when you scroll down,

414
00:34:22,830 --> 00:34:25,550
 you just give it some of the information you want.

415
00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:28,110
 Like it's gonna set up a VNC user for you.

416
00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:29,910
 So you can just connect to the desktop directly

417
00:34:29,910 --> 00:34:32,750
 and run a lot of the stuff's desktop based on Kali.

418
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:34,790
 So what user do you want

419
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:36,230
 and what password do you want?

420
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:38,830
 And it'll, it'll set that in there right then in there.

421
00:34:38,830 --> 00:34:41,070
 So that way once it's done deploying,

422
00:34:41,070 --> 00:34:42,910
 you just launch your VNC client,

423
00:34:42,910 --> 00:34:44,310
 give it the address of your server

424
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:45,510
 and you're up and going.

425
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:47,750
 And they've got 11 data centers for you to choose from

426
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:50,390
 and they're adding a whole bunch more.

427
00:34:50,390 --> 00:34:51,950
 But let's, let's choose Dallas in this case.

428
00:34:51,950 --> 00:34:52,950
 We'll choose Dallas.

429
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:57,230
 And then you have lots of options for machines.

430
00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:59,310
 See the pricing super straightforward.

431
00:34:59,310 --> 00:35:01,550
 And for like a Kali Linux box,

432
00:35:01,550 --> 00:35:02,630
 four gig RAM,

433
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:05,830
 eight gigs of storage,

434
00:35:05,830 --> 00:35:07,110
 four terabytes of transfer

435
00:35:07,110 --> 00:35:08,670
 and a 40 gigabit connection.

436
00:35:08,670 --> 00:35:11,070
 That'd be perfect.

437
00:35:11,070 --> 00:35:12,870
 But you could also do like, say you wanted to try whisper,

438
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:15,910
 you could do something like a GPU dedicated system,

439
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:17,350
 high memory system.

440
00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:19,150
 There's different tiers depending on what you want,

441
00:35:19,150 --> 00:35:20,510
 including systems that are just perfect

442
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:23,270
 for like a personal site or status webpage.

443
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:24,470
 You fill out the information you want,

444
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:26,710
 you can add your SSH keys right there.

445
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:28,150
 You can see Alex and myself,

446
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:29,110
 we can just click those and boom,

447
00:35:29,110 --> 00:35:30,510
 now we can SSH right in.

448
00:35:30,510 --> 00:35:33,230
 You can attach a VN, VLIN, I'm sorry.

449
00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:34,630
 And then configure backups.

450
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:37,830
 And then create, you're done.

451
00:35:37,830 --> 00:35:39,910
 Now you've got a Kali Linux box in the cloud.

452
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:41,590
 And when you go to linno.com/jupy

453
00:35:41,590 --> 00:35:43,190
 or you get a hundred bucks for 60 days.

454
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:45,270
 So you could just use that hundred bucks

455
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:46,790
 to play around with Kali Linux,

456
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:48,670
 do a little test on your network and see how it goes.

457
00:35:48,670 --> 00:35:51,950
 So straightforward, I could do it during an Android.

458
00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:52,790
 It's that easy.

459
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:53,870
 So try it out yourself, you're gonna love it.

460
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:57,870
 Get the hundred bucks, go to linno.com/jupyter.

461
00:35:57,870 --> 00:36:00,330
 (humming)

462
00:36:00,330 --> 00:36:05,190
 Really, we have so many great boosts to get to this week.

463
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:06,110
 - I like this part.

464
00:36:06,110 --> 00:36:09,310
 - Mirror Mortals comes in with a big old

465
00:36:09,310 --> 00:36:12,990
 satchel of sticks, I guess.

466
00:36:12,990 --> 00:36:15,670
 Satchel, I guess.

467
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:16,990
 - I think you just started a thing.

468
00:36:16,990 --> 00:36:17,950
 - Okay.

469
00:36:17,950 --> 00:36:19,670
 - They write, "I joined Patreon to support

470
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:21,710
 "the Andreas Antonopoulos show

471
00:36:21,710 --> 00:36:24,310
 "and I'm gonna have to just stop right away.

472
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:26,590
 "They actually take away from consuming the content.

473
00:36:26,590 --> 00:36:29,550
 "It feels like I'm paying for a worse experience."

474
00:36:29,550 --> 00:36:31,430
 - Oh no.

475
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:32,830
 - Unfortunately, he has that paywall,

476
00:36:32,830 --> 00:36:34,950
 but I just can't participate in that system.

477
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:36,190
 Nothing beats value for value

478
00:36:36,190 --> 00:36:38,390
 and the functionality of the podcasting 2.0.

479
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:42,430
 Yeah, you really hope that Andreas would come up

480
00:36:42,430 --> 00:36:45,830
 with a way to do a lightning based payment system

481
00:36:45,830 --> 00:36:48,550
 'cause Andreas is a longtime Bitcoiner.

482
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:54,470
 But that whole CMS and front end, back end,

483
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:56,670
 just needs a lot of work still.

484
00:36:56,670 --> 00:36:59,790
 - It's an aged system, perhaps.

485
00:36:59,790 --> 00:37:03,070
 I am curious about how you feel

486
00:37:03,070 --> 00:37:05,190
 about these kind of paywall systems.

487
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:09,310
 I mean, many podcasters just sort of release tons

488
00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:13,390
 of free stuff with like additional special features.

489
00:37:13,390 --> 00:37:16,350
 Some of them just lock everything behind a paywall.

490
00:37:16,350 --> 00:37:19,070
 And so how do you feel about either system?

491
00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:23,870
 And are they missing out on some really good value

492
00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:26,790
 from fans because they're behind this garden?

493
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:29,830
 - Yeah, yeah, that's a hard question right now.

494
00:37:29,830 --> 00:37:31,150
 Feels like we're in a-- - I've been wandering

495
00:37:31,150 --> 00:37:31,990
 it for months.

496
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:34,870
 - It feels like it's all transitionary.

497
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:37,750
 Like there is, I can see the model

498
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:39,950
 and I do understand it, but I think it's,

499
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:44,070
 I think like with Coder Radio, for example,

500
00:37:44,070 --> 00:37:46,470
 it will do a membership version and you get,

501
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:49,670
 as the thank you, you get a member's fee that has no ads

502
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:50,910
 and you get the Coderly report,

503
00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:52,750
 which is like a little extra show that Mike and I do

504
00:37:52,750 --> 00:37:54,630
 once a quarter for our members.

505
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:58,590
 That feels like the right kind of exclusive cadence

506
00:37:58,590 --> 00:37:59,990
 because I think if you go much more than,

507
00:37:59,990 --> 00:38:02,830
 I think if you go with like weekly exclusive content,

508
00:38:02,830 --> 00:38:06,430
 like an exclusive show where maybe you only put out a clip

509
00:38:06,430 --> 00:38:09,470
 and then the entire show is behind a paywall,

510
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:12,990
 that seems like you're gonna stunt growth.

511
00:38:12,990 --> 00:38:15,990
 It seems like you're really gonna wreck people,

512
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:17,590
 trying the show out.

513
00:38:17,590 --> 00:38:20,030
 You're gonna really limit a lot of interaction

514
00:38:20,030 --> 00:38:22,030
 behind people, only to only people that can afford

515
00:38:22,030 --> 00:38:23,030
 to interact.

516
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:27,150
 It's a complicated thing and that's why I kind of feel like

517
00:38:27,150 --> 00:38:31,270
 it is great to have a lot of different models

518
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:33,470
 because we do need to kind of see this get tested out.

519
00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:35,430
 Even here, we're kind of seeing what we can land on

520
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:36,430
 that works the best.

521
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:42,550
 I think the issue with sites like Patreon is the platform

522
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:46,470
 always moves slower than the creator.

523
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:51,470
 And inevitably the platform gets between you and the audience.

524
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:54,430
 I mean, we inevitably had to give up on Patreon.

525
00:38:54,430 --> 00:38:57,910
 They just weren't adding new features fast enough.

526
00:38:57,910 --> 00:39:01,310
 The API doesn't do the things we needed to do.

527
00:39:01,310 --> 00:39:04,870
 It really wants to own the entire experience.

528
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:07,750
 You know, if we used Patreon to deliver our content

529
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:10,110
 to our members, I would have to and could only use

530
00:39:10,110 --> 00:39:12,750
 their CMS and their system, like the whole thing is.

531
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:15,070
 I just don't like any of that.

532
00:39:15,070 --> 00:39:18,350
 It doesn't feel like ultimately a long-term solution.

533
00:39:18,350 --> 00:39:22,190
 It feels like something out of the 90s.

534
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:23,710
 - Yeah.

535
00:39:23,710 --> 00:39:26,190
 - Miramortals continues with a row of ducks.

536
00:39:26,190 --> 00:39:28,150
 I kind of play around with a demo of a new podcasting

537
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:30,670
 2.0 app that has a feature that simulates

538
00:39:30,670 --> 00:39:32,430
 a membership style support model.

539
00:39:32,430 --> 00:39:34,750
 I'll boost in about it when it gets officially released

540
00:39:34,750 --> 00:39:36,390
 after podcast evolutions.

541
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:37,230
 Well, there you go.

542
00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:39,110
 That'll be interesting to see where that goes.

543
00:39:39,110 --> 00:39:40,670
 Okay.

544
00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:44,750
 - I'm curious about the choosing of the word simulate there.

545
00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:48,310
 Simulate a membership style support model.

546
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:49,510
 Here's where that goes.

547
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:50,590
 - Yeah.

548
00:39:50,590 --> 00:39:52,630
 Marcel comes in with another row of sticks.

549
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:53,830
 It'd be cool to have member feeds

550
00:39:53,830 --> 00:39:55,750
 as part of the podcasting 2.0 spec.

551
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:57,750
 Maybe the app could charge your wallet monthly

552
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:59,110
 to enable that feed.

553
00:39:59,110 --> 00:40:01,030
 Maybe the value tag could somehow be linked

554
00:40:01,030 --> 00:40:02,950
 to the main show, so boost to the member feed

555
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:05,350
 to contribute to the main show and the leader boards.

556
00:40:05,350 --> 00:40:08,110
 Yeah, that's a great point, Marcel.

557
00:40:08,110 --> 00:40:13,110
 You would like all of the boost to go to the same spot

558
00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:16,150
 and you'd want it to count in the fountain charts.

559
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:16,990
 I like this.

560
00:40:16,990 --> 00:40:18,190
 These are really good ideas.

561
00:40:18,190 --> 00:40:19,990
 I'm just trying to think technically.

562
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:22,270
 'Cause that would require basically the client

563
00:40:22,270 --> 00:40:24,150
 doing a lot of the work.

564
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:26,030
 The client app would have to do a lot of the accounting

565
00:40:26,030 --> 00:40:28,630
 and the work there to get you access to that feed.

566
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:32,710
 - It's like a scheduler for, but yeah.

567
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:36,070
 So yeah, how would you kind of authenticate the fact

568
00:40:36,070 --> 00:40:39,150
 that they boosted enough to be a member?

569
00:40:39,150 --> 00:40:41,510
 - Or something that like unlocks a URL.

570
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:44,550
 So when you like say you boost 2,000 sats

571
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:47,870
 or 5,000 sats to this address,

572
00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:50,030
 then it generates a URL in the download proceeds

573
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:50,870
 or something.

574
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:51,710
 - That's cool.

575
00:40:51,710 --> 00:40:52,830
 - I wonder, right?

576
00:40:52,830 --> 00:40:54,830
 Something's there because I'm trying to think,

577
00:40:54,830 --> 00:40:57,190
 whatever we come up with, it'd be really, really great

578
00:40:57,190 --> 00:41:00,190
 if that model somehow or directly even

579
00:41:00,190 --> 00:41:02,790
 could be applied to software like app stores

580
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:04,190
 like FlatHub or something like that

581
00:41:04,190 --> 00:41:06,550
 where you could integrate lightning payments.

582
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:09,390
 And so it brings up Albie and I send 10,000 sats

583
00:41:09,390 --> 00:41:11,430
 to the developer and it unlocks a download URL

584
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:15,150
 or I don't know, maybe you wouldn't want it locking URLs.

585
00:41:15,150 --> 00:41:17,910
 But that kind of functionality feels like it could be powerful.

586
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:22,430
 Anon comes in with 10,000 sats testing just my first boost.

587
00:41:22,430 --> 00:41:25,190
 Well, thank you for making your first boost 10,000 sats.

588
00:41:26,190 --> 00:41:31,190
 Todd from Northern Virginia boosted in with 33,333 sats.

589
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:35,070
 Leo Laporte ranted recently about podcasting 2.0

590
00:41:35,070 --> 00:41:36,510
 in a recent interview.

591
00:41:36,510 --> 00:41:40,270
 His stance seemed anti-listener and not competitive.

592
00:41:40,270 --> 00:41:41,110
 Thoughts.

593
00:41:41,110 --> 00:41:46,590
 Yeah, so Leo Laporte from twit.tv was interviewed

594
00:41:46,590 --> 00:41:48,670
 a couple of weeks ago and they asked him

595
00:41:48,670 --> 00:41:52,190
 about podcasting 2.0 and he said that he felt like

596
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:54,790
 podcasting 2.0 was Adam Curry's attempt

597
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:56,390
 to take over podcasting.

598
00:41:56,390 --> 00:42:01,990
 And that, he didn't think it was worth his time

599
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:04,270
 or something to that effect, which I found to be kind

600
00:42:04,270 --> 00:42:06,390
 of funny because Leo's the guy that tried to change

601
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:08,390
 the name to podcast and netcast.

602
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:13,390
 Like Leo's, so like, and what is his alternatives?

603
00:42:13,390 --> 00:42:16,830
 Apple and Spotify, like have fun having your entire business

604
00:42:16,830 --> 00:42:19,830
 run and managed by Spotify and Apple.

605
00:42:19,830 --> 00:42:22,350
 Leo, like where do you think this is going big guy?

606
00:42:22,350 --> 00:42:26,110
 I was a little disappointed, but I also, I know Leo

607
00:42:26,110 --> 00:42:31,110
 and I know Adam and I know that politics has gotten

608
00:42:31,110 --> 00:42:35,190
 in the way of how Leo views the world

609
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:38,470
 and it has sort of infected a lot of his shows

610
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:40,030
 and it's affected a lot of his thoughts

611
00:42:40,030 --> 00:42:43,510
 and it affects the way he thinks and talks about people.

612
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:45,310
 And I think he was quick to dismiss it

613
00:42:45,310 --> 00:42:49,630
 because the existing system has served him exceedingly well.

614
00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:53,990
 Leo has the advantage of coming from a television

615
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:55,390
 and radio background.

616
00:42:55,390 --> 00:42:59,670
 So that opened up conversations with very, very, very large

617
00:42:59,670 --> 00:43:01,950
 lucrative sponsors at the very beginning

618
00:43:01,950 --> 00:43:03,670
 of his podcast endeavors.

619
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:06,550
 So Leo's been dealing with extremely high CPMs

620
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:09,670
 and very high revenue beyond what most podcasters

621
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:12,070
 could ever dream of since the beginning.

622
00:43:12,070 --> 00:43:14,230
 The man has like four or five ads that are like two,

623
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:16,210
 three minutes long per episode.

624
00:43:18,110 --> 00:43:22,390
 And of course then has in the more recent years scrambled

625
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:24,470
 to implement memberships and do things like that

626
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:27,670
 as he's seen the direction that the market has gone.

627
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:30,790
 But it's still a system that has served him well

628
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:32,750
 and I would expect that he would rather retire

629
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:35,310
 before he learned how to do anything differently

630
00:43:35,310 --> 00:43:36,150
 in that regard.

631
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:41,150
 And for Twitter, it's not like Leo can just put an evening

632
00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:44,830
 of work in and all of a sudden have a test signal feed

633
00:43:44,830 --> 00:43:48,670
 and then he can go manually create that XML file

634
00:43:48,670 --> 00:43:51,230
 and upload it to the object storage and go lit

635
00:43:51,230 --> 00:43:52,310
 and try it out for the day.

636
00:43:52,310 --> 00:43:53,790
 Like that's not how Twitter works, right?

637
00:43:53,790 --> 00:43:56,030
 It's a staff of 20 to 30 people.

638
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:58,150
 There's editors, if people are responsible for the publishing

639
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:59,070
 there's a pipeline.

640
00:43:59,070 --> 00:44:03,770
 That kind of quick innovation, quick experimentation

641
00:44:03,770 --> 00:44:06,070
 that's been gone since before he left the cottage.

642
00:44:06,070 --> 00:44:07,950
 And that's not a disparaging remark,

643
00:44:07,950 --> 00:44:12,950
 that's just how medium does the big businesses work.

644
00:44:12,990 --> 00:44:15,310
 And it's just the nature of the beast

645
00:44:15,310 --> 00:44:18,150
 when you start having multiple people at different layers

646
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:20,910
 of the business responsible for different aspects of it.

647
00:44:20,910 --> 00:44:25,910
 And his job is not really to understand how the RSS feed

648
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:29,990
 works or how his website works anymore.

649
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:33,590
 And so he's not really looking at this stuff to begin with.

650
00:44:33,590 --> 00:44:36,190
 So I don't really expect much more from him on it.

651
00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:38,630
 I'm not speaking about it in a bad way.

652
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:40,270
 I mean, it's just the reality of it.

653
00:44:40,270 --> 00:44:43,430
 I would love to see him be a champion of it.

654
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:47,150
 But, you know, as long as he and I don't have bad blood

655
00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:48,270
 it's likely just gonna be a thing

656
00:44:48,270 --> 00:44:50,270
 because they both are very big personalities

657
00:44:50,270 --> 00:44:53,230
 in particular Leo.

658
00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:57,670
 So I love them both, but it is what it is, Todd, I think.

659
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:59,230
 I'd be curious to know what you think.

660
00:44:59,230 --> 00:45:01,350
 Alex Gates, the podcasting to-it-oh consultant

661
00:45:01,350 --> 00:45:02,710
 comes in with a thousand sats.

662
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:04,870
 The Lightning PeerTube extension can do boosting

663
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:07,230
 and value for value streaming from the web browser

664
00:45:07,230 --> 00:45:08,470
 with Albie.

665
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:09,910
 Gotta play with that.

666
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:10,750
 Gotta check that out.

667
00:45:10,750 --> 00:45:11,790
 We've been having some peer tube issues

668
00:45:11,790 --> 00:45:13,510
 so we haven't been doing plugins recently

669
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:15,310
 unrelated to this stuff,

670
00:45:15,310 --> 00:45:17,350
 but it's something we definitely have to check out.

671
00:45:17,350 --> 00:45:19,070
 Alex continues another thousand sats.

672
00:45:19,070 --> 00:45:22,150
 I'm already thinking about ways to do live closed captions.

673
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:24,310
 They will be separate from transcripts.

674
00:45:24,310 --> 00:45:25,910
 Interesting.

675
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:27,910
 And another thousand sats to say,

676
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:31,150
 VOSC V-O-S-K is another proven option

677
00:45:31,150 --> 00:45:32,550
 with a rich open source community

678
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:34,270
 and a server protocol and web socket.

679
00:45:34,270 --> 00:45:35,990
 You can bring your own models too.

680
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:37,710
 All right, so looking for,

681
00:45:37,710 --> 00:45:39,110
 that could be one thing about being able

682
00:45:39,110 --> 00:45:43,030
 to bring our own models to a transcription service.

683
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:45,910
 I don't know if it's something we do immediately,

684
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:47,550
 but it sure seems like it could be useful

685
00:45:47,550 --> 00:45:48,550
 when you think of all the weird,

686
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:50,830
 crazy open source project names

687
00:45:50,830 --> 00:45:52,830
 and stuff that we say on these shows.

688
00:45:52,830 --> 00:45:54,150
 Oh yeah.

689
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:56,670
 And then two more rounds from Alex.

690
00:45:56,670 --> 00:45:58,750
 One more he says, nice to hear that all the work

691
00:45:58,750 --> 00:46:00,270
 I put into podping is still being appreciated.

692
00:46:00,270 --> 00:46:01,110
 Boy, is it?

693
00:46:01,110 --> 00:46:03,590
 Yeah, no.

694
00:46:03,590 --> 00:46:05,390
 And it's been, yeah, I mean, it's so cool.

695
00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:06,230
 So cool.

696
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:07,070
 It's so neat.

697
00:46:07,070 --> 00:46:08,950
 And then the last boost from Alex,

698
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:10,510
 1,000 sets, meanwhile,

699
00:46:10,510 --> 00:46:12,510
 Monero is private and also more scalable

700
00:46:12,510 --> 00:46:13,710
 with adaptive block sizes.

701
00:46:13,710 --> 00:46:17,510
 It's what Satoshi actually envisioned in his white paper.

702
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:19,170
 So Monero.

703
00:46:19,170 --> 00:46:23,150
 You know, Monero is a great example

704
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:27,230
 of how those of us in the technical community

705
00:46:27,230 --> 00:46:31,270
 can sometimes not see the forest between the trees.

706
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:33,750
 And we will advocate for something

707
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:41,040
 is perhaps technically superior in some ways. And we'll kind of lose sight of the dynamics

708
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:47,920
 that drive the entire market. And we'll sit here advocating for our better designed or

709
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:53,520
 better thought through or more secure thing while the rest of the market just goes about

710
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:59,920
 their day and buys their iPhones or whatever. And I thought, why is this Bitcoin's moment

711
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:05,840
 to shine not Monero's moment to shine because Monero includes privacy by default. Like there's

712
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,960
 processes you can do in Bitcoin to try to anonymize your transactions or at least obscure

713
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:16,640
 your UTXOs where they've been and where they're going. And Monero does a lot of this by default.

714
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:25,360
 So why not Monero? It seems to be ethically mind. We seem to have avoided for the most case the

715
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:31,120
 pre-mine situation has a pretty good leadership team, although they're constantly changing things,

716
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,040
 but they're there and they don't seem to be too particularly influenced in one direction or the

717
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:43,920
 other. So why Satoshi's over XMR or whatever they're called, ZMR's. And it really comes down to

718
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:52,560
 the moment in time we are living in and what the market needs. We exist in a period of time

719
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:59,680
 when trust is bankrupt for every institution you can think of. Medical institutions,

720
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:07,200
 government institutions, military institutions, the church, businesses. Everything I just listed

721
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:13,840
 has historically low trust by consumers. And then there's the media, which is even worse.

722
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:19,680
 We live in an era where no one knows what's right or wrong. We don't know if there's balloons or

723
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,840
 UFOs over us right now. During the middle of a pandemic, we didn't know if Iver Mekton would

724
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:31,520
 kill you or save you. We just can't figure anything out anymore. We can't trust anything.

725
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:39,600
 And then Bitcoin comes along. And you know where every single Satoshi is. You know the exact state

726
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,920
 of the entire Bitcoin network at any moment. Every Bitcoin is audible and accountable.

727
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:49,280
 You can't say that for Monero. How many Monero are in circulation right now?

728
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,960
 Which wallets have the most Monero? Where are all the XMRs?

729
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:04,800
 We don't know. That's fine. But perhaps it isn't what the world needs as badly right now.

730
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:12,720
 And one does not preclude the other. So when you need something that can be a trustable piece

731
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:18,960
 of property that is provable, audible, verifiable by math and mined from energy,

732
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:25,680
 so it comes from real world constraints and it's provable by anybody at any point in time

733
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:31,120
 with a block explorer. That's probably what the world needs right now when we can't trust

734
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:36,480
 anything in just this crazy-ass time where the world has been completely broken.

735
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:44,960
 And our money is completely, completely untrusted. It's like you look at like which pick a pick

736
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,720
 you could pick our government institutions, you can pick the media, you can pick the

737
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:53,680
 financial system and like everywhere consumers don't there's bankrupt trust when measured.

738
00:49:53,680 --> 00:50:00,240
 It's it's crazy. And then Bitcoin comes along, which is the only thing that anyone would trust

739
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:05,760
 because it's run by itself. It's completely decentralized. It uses math to prove its work.

740
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,720
 So you can do the math, you can just check the math and the source code is completely open source

741
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:17,440
 and transparent and any and all modifications have to be approved and accepted by tens of thousands

742
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,880
 of decentralized nodes and miners. So you can't have people come in and pervert it either.

743
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:29,040
 It's uncorruptible and it's provable by math at a time when everything is corrupted and we don't

744
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,600
 trust anything. And so while yes, it is great to have an extremely private currency and I don't

745
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:39,280
 want it to go away and I think there's value there. It's not a great store of wealth or a

746
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:44,080
 replacement for anything else that we currently have. And it doesn't solve the fundamental issue

747
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,880
 that the market is looking for desperately for a solution for right now. And once people start

748
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:55,680
 to realize that solution is there, it's going to take off like wildfire. Because the fundamental

749
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:01,120
 thing is is two people who don't trust each other need something they can trust in. And when you

750
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:06,480
 when that when that innovation occurred, it was special. And I think it was perfectly purpose

751
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:12,400
 built for right now. So I while I think Monero is technically great, privacy by default is good.

752
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:17,600
 I like encryption. I like I don't like people knowing all of these things I can easily see

753
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:23,040
 how there is a massive need for something else in the market right now that answers transparency

754
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:28,880
 and trust. And that's what the blockchain does. And that's what Bitcoin does. Sorry for the long

755
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:35,200
 answer. Gene bean, Booson with a row of ducks. I'm only 17 minutes into the episode. So there may

756
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:40,160
 be bits I haven't heard yet. But I wanted to say, I'm all in on using the RSS feed as a source of

757
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:45,280
 truth on my shows. I've already started building tooling for this. And would love to collaborate

758
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,320
 with you all since we're both using Hugo and working towards the same goal. Right on, Gene bean.

759
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:59,440
 All right. And then 2,223 sets to say I'm curious how you're planning to get speakers separated

760
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:04,240
 within whisper. And how you're planning to get it into the and how you plan to use what's you're

761
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:09,040
 saying here. And how you're planning to get into the spec that is needed by podcasting 2.0 where

762
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:15,280
 the SRT web VTT file is 32 characters per line, and a max of two lines at a time.

763
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:21,280
 Well, that seems easy. That's just a little bit of massaging needed after the fact it's created

764
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:27,920
 that's, I feel like Wes could do that in like 10 seconds of Python. But I think this is what bit

765
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:33,200
 us last week. I think this is why our transcripts didn't work in pod verse perhaps is I don't know

766
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:40,640
 if we did the 32 characters per line thing, or the two lines at a time thing. And I don't,

767
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,480
 I don't know if we're going to,

768
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:49,600
 I were debating if it's worth separating speakers out and identifying them separately,

769
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,960
 or if it's just more important to just have all the information in there. I'd like your thoughts

770
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,280
 on that to everybody. I don't know what you think, Brent, were you picturing transcripts where

771
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:07,760
 each labeled or are you picturing just a transcript of the show? Well, it feels to me like as a

772
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,800
 consumer of the transcript, if you're just browsing it casually, it'd be super nice to have

773
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,440
 each speaker separated out. But in your use case, we're just searching through it to find

774
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,280
 certain sections in the show, then that doesn't really matter to you. But I feel like it's a

775
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:27,520
 nice to have. So I'm going to say, I think we can publish without it, and then get there in the

776
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:34,640
 short term. I think you're probably right. Then Gene Bean came in one last boost with 2224 sets,

777
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,600
 he's incrementing them because you know, makes it easy for expert. Yep. Now whisper does need

778
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,520
 GPU power, not CPU power. I don't think the matrix rig is the right host if you're trying

779
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:49,120
 whisper, which to that point, Elri comes in with, or Elrai, I always get it wrong because of my

780
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:55,680
 neighbor. So funny. It's so funny to have the same name spelled the same way, but said two different

781
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:03,120
 ways. Elrai 741 comes in with a row of ducks. You'd probably have a better time using the GPU

782
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:08,080
 instead of the CPU core. Typically, those machine learning models are better tuned for the GPU guys.

783
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:13,520
 He says, if I recall, Leno does offer GPU rigs. Yeah, oh boy, we played around with that when we

784
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:20,480
 were playing on the Fusion. Oh yeah, that was fun. You know, to Wes Payne's credit, that wily son of a

785
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:25,600
 bitch, he's got it working so damn good. I don't know if that thing's got a GPU in it, or if it just,

786
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,640
 he scared the life into it, but I am damn happy 15 minutes for an hour long or so,

787
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:36,400
 or more. I don't think I've thrown anything less than an hour at it. And it's been about 15 minutes.

788
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:41,040
 I mean, it takes us more than 15 minutes to even just wrap an episode up in terms of like the back

789
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:46,560
 end stuff. So that's perfectly fine. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how we inevitably

790
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,920
 pull this off because I don't think we want the transcripts to hold up publishing. So I think we'll

791
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:55,600
 publish. And then shortly afterwards, the transcripts will go live. So we'll have to have like placeholder

792
00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:01,600
 files that can be in the RSS feed that the podcast client can look at that then later will refresh,

793
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,840
 hopefully. And I think it's going to be different per podcast app because I think sometimes the

794
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,360
 app's refresh at a set time interval and sometimes the app's refresh on playback.

795
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,480
 We'll see. We'll see. Well, it'll be interesting to experiment with.

796
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:20,880
 Sam Squanch comes in with our last standard boost, 16,180 sats with no message.

797
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,520
 But then we got some test feed boost Brent. Are you ready for this? This is exciting.

798
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,280
 This is exciting. Let's do it again.

799
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:37,520
 Sir Lerkslotz, our back home baller this week. He comes in first on the test feed with 13,370 sats,

800
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,280
 testing out the test feed, streaming and boosting along. I see transcripts, but no

801
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:47,360
 chapters. I'm using podverse on DraftinOS. Okay, so you got the transcript, huh? But not the

802
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:53,840
 chapters. That's not the way I would have expected it. That's interesting. Lerkslotz comes in again,

803
00:55:53,840 --> 00:56:01,200
 like I said, he's our baller this week with 54,321 sats. Alby's Web Plugin has a feature that lets

804
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:06,240
 you set an allowance per website. So I set a million sat limit for podcast index.org and I

805
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:12,640
 don't get bugged to approve every little split until I've spread out a million sats. Fire hose on.

806
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:21,600
 Thank you. That's our pro booster, right? Yeah, I love that. That's a really good insight.

807
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:30,400
 Boise 79,2001 comes in with a row of ducks on the test feed. First time boosting. I've been listening,

808
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,840
 I've been listening though, since office hours one, and I've been listening to all the other JB

809
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,920
 shows as well. Here's some sats I've earned in the Fountain App to help you all on the JB crew

810
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,800
 continue making great podcasts. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Also, thanks for leaving the Mumbarum

811
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,320
 and Pier Troupe servers running. It's fun to listen and see the production happen live. Good

812
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:51,040
 luck on getting automated 2.0 podcast RSS feed working. Thank you, Boise. Thank you. Yes,

813
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:57,600
 that's really the next thing that needs to happen. Now we just need to bring all of our pieces that

814
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:03,440
 we've created together and have stuff just like when we go live, what ultimately, ultimately

815
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:08,560
 my dream is I just sit down right here and I go live and everything else just happens.

816
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:13,200
 Wouldn't you love like a big red button that you just pound on and then everything just kind of...

817
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:18,480
 I don't even want a button. I just really... I turn the stream on and it all starts happening.

818
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:24,400
 You know, because what happens right now is I start one stream to a peer tube and then I run upstairs

819
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:30,080
 to my office. No way. Yeah, and I go into sovereign feeds and I update everything and I set everything

820
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,960
 to live and I download the XML file that I manually edit the XML file and I put the video thing in

821
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,120
 there and I put the right video type file in there and then I upload that to object storage,

822
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:44,400
 bring down GUAKE and set it to read write mode using the Linode command line tool. Then I go over

823
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,080
 to Podping or I'm sorry, go back to sovereign feeds and tell it to update Podping and then it

824
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,520
 goes and checks the object storage and tells all the podcast apps to update and then I run back down

825
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:57,520
 here and we start the show. Assuming everything else is working. Right, yeah, assuming there's

826
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:02,240
 nothing else that needs fixed and so it'd be great to just kind of automate that. That'd be

827
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:08,720
 really great. Dark Matter PHP dev comes in with one, two, three, four sats. Here's some Ramon sats

828
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,800
 from the Jupyter test signal feed. Love that JB is leading the charge into the podcasting

829
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,840
 2.0 feature. Keep up the awesome work. Well, thank you. Thanks, Dark Matter. Love that username.

830
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:24,400
 And then Mirror Mortals comes in. Our like return boosters like the third boost Mirror Mortals.

831
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,480
 I'm gonna say it one more time so people go listen to the podcast. The Mirror Mortals podcast

832
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:33,760
 boosts in with another bag of sticks boosting to go to Jupyter and beyond on the test feed.

833
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:42,800
 Thank you, everybody. Pew, pew to you too. Appreciate the boost. And go give the Mirror

834
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,600
 Mortals podcast a listen. Look at that great support they've been giving us. They deserve you.

835
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,040
 You go check them out out there as well. Thank you, everybody, though, that boosted in either to

836
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:53,760
 the Jupyter test signal feed or the main regular old office hours feeds. Always appreciates it.

837
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:58,640
 It's the highlight of our show. This is the part of the show, Brent and I look forward to the most.

838
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,680
 And these messages, some of these that came in this week, I've been thinking about them

839
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,400
 all week long. And I love that. You know, I love that because they're short when they come out on

840
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:11,920
 a dashboard, I get a chance to really kind of mull my answer around for a while. And I don't

841
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,160
 know, it's just something I don't get to do with any of the other mediums. So in part because I

842
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,280
 have that dang helipad dashboard up all the time because Dave Jones made it so much fun.

843
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,520
 You know, a little bit of confetti every time a boost comes in. How can you not?

844
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,440
 Think it's a little dopamine heat hit along with it.

845
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:31,680
 I will say too that this is really fun to do together. You know, I know it's like feed what

846
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:37,360
 week number two for this test feed. And it's sometimes tricky for you, you know, you got to

847
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:43,360
 run up the stairs and make sure everything's working. But it's fun to get the like feedback almost

848
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:48,320
 instantly as well on how it's going for people and how it's appearing in various podcast apps.

849
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:53,120
 So just that connection to the listeners too is so fun for me. It's and it's like,

850
00:59:53,120 --> 01:00:00,480
 it's testing stuff out that I've wanted for years, you know, so it's like finally getting it. We're

851
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:06,960
 finally getting there. And it's amazing that it all works from the apps, the pod ping, the peer tube

852
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:12,560
 stuff, the entire stack all the way is free software too. You know, how cool is that? Like

853
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,960
 there's we didn't have to go out and buy like some commercial software package, like a thousand

854
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:21,360
 dollar piece of software or you know, anything like that, we're just integrating it in with

855
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:26,080
 the infrastructure that we have and using open source tooling. If you'd like to send a boost

856
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,480
 into the show, you can grab a new podcast app and try out podverse or fountain or cast a manic or

857
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:35,360
 any of the others new podcast apps.com. Podverse is the one we're using for the testing. And then

858
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,840
 you can go search for the Jupiter test signal feed in there. You can also find it on the podcast

859
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:44,000
 index. In fact, you can boost from the podcast index.org as well. You just got to grab Alby.

860
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,160
 That's the browser extension. You top it off. And then you find us over there on the podcast

861
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,360
 index and you boost right in and then we'll read one of your messages right here on the show.

862
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:56,160
 Yeah, yeah, it's almost it's almost slipping. Slip. It's time to wrap up when it starts slipping

863
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:01,280
 into cowboy Chris, you know, when he's lurking. Bradley, I don't know, maybe by the next episode,

864
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:08,800
 you might be in school. I think I will be. Yeah, yeah, we see a calendar. Yeah, I'm here. I'm right

865
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,680
 there. That's going to be exciting. Are we going to actually do it in your office?

866
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,520
 I don't know about that. I know. I've always thought about actually doing it in the office,

867
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:23,840
 but then the audio quality is obviously better in the studio that's right downstairs.

868
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:30,640
 So it's conceptually my office, you know, conceptually. That's why we got to change the

869
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,760
 dang name. We just been too busy messing around with everything else to actually get to the name

870
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:39,920
 change stuff. One thing at a time, maybe at some point, maybe what happens is we just switch over

871
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:45,440
 to the test feed. Maybe that's what happens is like the test feed takes over the show.

872
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,640
 And then office hours goes away. You know, it's like does the test feed?

873
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,960
 Oh, I thought that was the plan this whole time.

874
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,440
 Stay tuned and find out, I suppose.

875
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:58,320
 Office hours over for this week, though. Tell you what, you got to get out of here.

876
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:05,120
 I got to clean up and I'm going home. Thanks for joining us.